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The Supreme Court of Australia Transcript of Proceedings Between Peter Julian Hansen (Plaintiff) and Northern Land Council (Defendant) pages 52-117



The Supreme Court of Australia Transcript of Proceedings Between Peter Julian Hansen (Plaintiff) and Northern Land Council (Defendant) pages 52-117

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Okay, and - - - ?---But clearly, I become aware of it during the course of the meeting. And were you asked to do anything in relation to either agenda item 1 or agenda item 9 at that time?---No, I wasn't asked but as you can see there, my suggestion on learning of the situation that the minister has approved additional funding but then; y o uve still got another problem of the same value, what I suggest is that we take a non-bureaucratic approach to the minister, so in effect, I'm saying, 'Oh well, we have to go the hard yards again.' Was that the extent of your contribution in relation to that item?---That's right. Also, on 15 January 1993, are you aware of a fax arriving from Minister Tichner in relation to a package of amendments that was planned for the Land Rights Act?---Yes. What information did you receive about that matter?---There was - an air of crisis suddenly developed in the offi-ce and all of the - well, several of the lawyers and the head of the mining section arrived in the directorate and the director requested me to join a meeting which he was conyening. And at that meeting, did a telephone discussion take place between the minister and Mr Dodson?---Between the minister and all of the staff present. It was an open line conference call. So that, in effect, the phone at your end was on loud speaker, was it?---That's right. Can you tell His Honour then please, what was discussed during that meeting?---What had arrived in the office only very shortly before, minutes before, was a fax from Minister Tichners office which was headed, 'Package' and what it transpired to be was a proposed package of amendments watering down Part 4 of the Land Rights Act - the veto provisions, I think, in particular - and the other information was that.it was to - that what it represented was part of a submission which would go next week to Federal Cabinet. What it caused, was enormous consternation and I think can properly be described as 'outrage' by the director and all of the staff, the lawyers and the technical people. Were those concerns effectively conveyed to Mr Tichner during the telephone conversation with him?---Yes, in very forceful language. If I can then move on, at the conclusion of that topic, did some of the officers leave Mr Dodsons room, or the room where this telephone conversation was taking place?---Yes, they all left at the conclusion of their discussion about the package. 2 8 - 2 9 / l d H a n s e n 82 P.J. H A N S E N XN 1 8 / 1 1 / 9 8