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The Supreme Court of Australia Transcript of Proceedings Between Peter Julian Hansen (Plaintiff) and Northern Land Council (Defendant) pages 52-117



The Supreme Court of Australia Transcript of Proceedings Between Peter Julian Hansen (Plaintiff) and Northern Land Council (Defendant) pages 52-117

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Could I ask you to look at document 47 and its annexure? ---Yes . That comprises a facsimile transmission from Gayle Jual(?), she's Mr Snowdon's electorate officer, is that right?---Well, I guess so, I've never met her. Right. then, what is contained is a draft letter entitled, 'Possible response to Woolridge letter'?---Yes. And were those - that is, the draft and the facsimile, documents which you received?---Well, they were received in the directorate fax machine and handed to me by Mick Dodsons secretary. Right. Now, I think it's correct to say that a large part - or pretty well, all of it - of that draft is ultimately incorporated in the document which is sent to Mr Woolridge and is, indeed, document 60. Is-that correct?---Yes. Could I ask you to tell His Honour what happened between the draft - being document 4 7 - being brought to your attention and document 60 ultimately being sent?---I read through the through document 47 and what I saw was an extraordinary mass of detail.- As I said earlier today, I had the opinion that really, the best way of answering this letter was to just give a half-page response. So, I looked at the letter - this document 47 - and I thought, 'Theres no way I'm in a position to really make much judgment of what's going on here is because what it's all. about is programs, particular programs of which I've got no knowledge.' What do you mean by a, 'program'?---Well, it's a - what what's involved in public policy, if you like, is the development of policy which is open to x or we promise that we are going to do, 'x'. It's a statement of intention. The implementation of policy is through the development of programs which are highly specific and which carry forward your intention to do something. So, I looked through this and saw all the references to just a huge number of programmed matters that - which I could clearly see that I had no background in, so I thought to myself, 'Well, I really have got so many other things on my plate, I would much rather not have to waste my time on carrying this through to a letter which the director will sign.' As a result of that, did you then speak to Mr Dodson?---I did. And what did you say, if anything, to Mr Dodson, given that that was the view you'd formed having perused Mr Snowdon's draft?---I said, 'Mick, I m extremely busy in a lot of other matters, do you mind if I delegate this to Harvey Cresswell?' 40-41/ld Hansen 95 P.J. HANSEN XN 18/11/98