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Debates Day 3 - Thursday 21 October 1993



Debates Day 3 - Thursday 21 October 1993

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Parliamentary Record 21


Debates for 6th Assembly 1990 - 1994; ParliamentNT; Parliamentary Record; 6th Assembly 1990 - 1994




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DEBATES - Thursday 21 October 1993 horrendous crime and police were not readily available to the person. In that circumstance, perhaps a person or persons might act rather than see the criminal get away. However, that would be a pretty rare situation. I do not have the problems with this legislation that other members have expressed. However, they can introduce private member bills or appeal to the Attorney-General for amendments if they can convince him that there is a need. With those words, I support the bill. Mr MANZIE (Attorney-General): Mr Speaker, I appreciate the comments made by honourable members. In particular, I must say that the member for Millner's contribution was quite fair and reasonable. Mr Collins: Didn't you like mine? Mr MANZIE: I haven't got around to talking about the member of Greatorex, whose contribution ... Mr Bailey: Very few of us ever do. Mr Collins: Oh yes, you did last time - and you had to withdraw. Mr MANZIE: ... also was one of some substance. Mr Bailey: Only because it is not permissible to insult the Chair. Why it was withdrawn had nothing to do with you personally. Mr MANZIE: Mr Speaker, I know the member for Wanguri is not interested in this. He is probably on the side of the member for MacDonnell and does not believe that we should be acting to provide powers to Territorians that are similar to those enjoyed by people in other areas of Australia, but I think it might be appreciated by us that, simply because he does not believe in what we are doing, he ... Mr Bell: There is not much point in talking in this Assembly when you cop that sort of thing. It is a deliberate misconstruction of what I said. No attempt was made to listen to what I said, just for the sake of using it to elucidate .. . Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Let us hear the Attorney-General. Mr MANZIE: Mr Speaker, I will go through some of the comments made by the Leader of the Opposition. He was particularly concerned about the words 'on reasonable grounds'. Proposed new section 44l(2) states: A person, not being a member of the police force, may without warrant arrest a person ('the offender') where the person (a) finds the offender committing an offence or doing an act or behaving or conducting himself, or in such circumstances that the person believes on reasonable grounds that the offender has committed an offence and that arrest of the offender is necessary ... The 'reasonable grounds' relate to the circumstances in which the person who may carry out the arrest finds the offender. He finds him committing an offence, or he finds him doing an act, or he finds him behaving or conducting himself, or finds him in such circumstances that the person believes on reasonable grounds that the offender has committed an offence 10 224

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