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Debates Day 3 - Thursday 19 June 2003



Debates Day 3 - Thursday 19 June 2003

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Parliamentary Record 13


Debates for 9th Assembly 2001 - 2005; ParliamentNT; Parliamentary Record; 9th Assembly 2001 - 2005




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DEBATES - Thursday 19 June 2003 Northern Territory should have done is, first, not agreed to anything at that COAG meeting. They should have reserved their position and maintained that reservation throughout. If the point of agreeing to COAG came, it should have come as late as today or tomorrow. That, unfortunately, is not the case.] I believe that the legislation is wrong in what is being required of shooters in the Northern Territory. It is wrong to suggest that there is some obnoxious difference between a calibre of pistol that is greater than a .38 mm calibre and a .45 mm calibre. The argument that was put is that one weapon is more concealable than another. Well, if anyone has seen Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry, they know big a .357 mm magnum is, so do not give me the argument about being more concealable; that is stupidity. We have been rolled by the Commonwealth on an issue that is purely political. I fmd that sad. What it does point to is the difference between a CLP and a Labor government in the Northern Territory. What you do ... Mr Kiely: You are Liberal, they are Liberal, you are the same. Mr BURKE: The member for Sanderson says: You are Liberal, they are Liberal. Well, I can tell you, at the end of the day, the CLP member federally has himself a problem because the position of the CLP in the Northern Territory is that the status quo should be maintained. That should have been the position of the Labor government of the Northern Territory because that is what Territorians believe: the status quo should have been maintained. They should have said, at the COAG meeting, that there is no agreement from the Northern Territory to make these changes, and we should have stayed back from any agreement until such time as we got common sense. Because no one did that, the Commonwealth has had its way. If a few of the states that could see common sense saw the Northern Territory taking a lead, maybe they would have followed. Maybe states like Western Australia and Queensland - and Queensland would probably have agreed and probably would still agree - that the issue of two classifications rather than five or more - and we are really only talking about the difference between types of target shooting at longer distances with pistols of about .38 mm calibre; it is not as if it is a major issue to deal with - would have seen the common sense of responsible sporting organisations being able to continue to conduct those activities. However, you are gone; you have rolled over, and it is all over. It is unfortunate that, in this legislation, we have had some late amendments - and I make the point that whilst the amendment today is understandable, we received one amendment yesterday afternoon, and another amendment from the minister after lunch today. If it had not been for the censure motion, we would have been debating this at 3 pm. Mr Henderson: It is the same amendment. Mr BURKE: Well it is not exactly the same amendment because there are some words that have changed. One of the words is that... Mr Henderson: It is the same amendment. Mr BURKE: It is not. If you look at the schedule of amendments you gave us yesterday, it says, under section 110A: ... receive compensation at the prescribed rate .... The one we received at lunch time today says: ... receive compensation at the rate referred to in section 110(5)(a).. The prescribed rate and that rate can be interpreted as quite different. Prescribed rate might be the rate that we determine in the Northern Territory as the prescribed fair and reasonable rate. The prescribed rate you are now introducing is the rate that the Commonwealth has now prescribed for us. That in itself needs some debate. Maybe the Northern Territory government wants to kick in a bit more than one-third because the people who are concerned are going to be disadvantaged because of the costs of the weapons they hand in. The notion that is in there-and I ask the question... Mr Kiely: Well, no one will hand in any Bofors this time. Mr BURKE: Well, you have the numbers, you will get it through. At the end of the day, the people who are affected will know. Ms Lawrie: Have you got the numbers? Mr Ah Kit: Have you got the numbers, that is the big question. M r BURKE: And if you want to hand in ... Mr Kiely: Here come the numbers. Mr Ah Kit: Have you got the numbers? Mr BURKE: I do not imagine people who are interested in this legislation are interested in that sort of nonsense. Mr Ah Kit: Well it is happening tonight. Madam SPEAKER: Order, order! 4417