Debates Day 3 - Thursday 19 June 2003
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DEBATES Thursday 19 June 2003 4441 Mr KIELY: It was not just the former Treasurer, Mike Reed; you were in it up to your neck and we had to have a look and find out what went on, and we did. Once again, I refute that. It was not just the Treasurer. You were in it up to your neck. I have never seen anyone be judge and juror and write the rules of evidence themselves, but you managed to do it. I give him full credit because that was the best slippery politics I ever witnessed. Mr Dunham: So you think we were judging in the PAC? You still do not understand our role, do you? Mr KIELY: Member for Drysdale, it was not Madam SPEAKER: Member for Sanderson, pause for a moment. You will have your chance to have your say. We will hear the member for Sanderson in silence. Mr Dunham: He was inviting comment, Madam Speaker. Mr KIELY: No, I am not! Madam SPEAKER: Member for Sanderson, talk to me! Mr KIELY: Madam Speaker, I point out that it was not just the member for Katherine in the frame. No, there were a number of former ministers: the former minister for Education who has gone now. so I will not say his name. I might invoke him! Once again, there were a number there, so I have to refute that claim. The government reneging on its commitment to reform the PAC. It is a shame that they did not go to the front of this report before they wrote their dissenting report. What does it say here? Committee membership. With the proposed Assembly on Wednesday 1 August, the following Committee membership lapsed: Eric Poole, MLA (Chairman), John Elferink, MLA (Member), Paul Henderson, MLA (Member), Terry Mills, MLA (Member), Peter Toyne, MLA (Member). Five. On Tuesday 16 October 2001, there was a new structure provided for the inclusion of an Independent member: Burns, Dunham, Kiely, Lim, McAdam, Wood - six. How, in your dissenting report, do you come up with the government reneging on its commitment to reform the PAC? Isnt it there? We reformed it. Five when you were there: three government; two opposition. What do we have? Six. I can see why you got into strife in that inquiry. You cannot count! Five and six. Mr Dunham: I do not mind him inviting comment, Madam Speaker, it is just Madam SPEAKER: You just sit there quietly and listen. Mr KIELY: He does not understand what the word reform means. He cannot tell the difference, but he and the member for Greatorex thought it was good enough to pen a dissenting report. I am glad I am able to help you: five on this hand. One more is six. Have you got that? That is all it takes to sort out that point. The termination of two senior chief executive officers. Time and again they have been in here - you were probably glad to see Mr Ken Clarke go, werent you, because he put you right in the frame, didnt he? You and your mate, the Treasurer. Mr Dunham: Are you still talking to me? I would like to answer that. Madam SPEAKER: Member for Drysdale, enough! Mr KIELY: It has been before this Assembly that Mr Ken Clarke resigned for his own reasons, as did Mr Bartholomew. They were not terminated; they resigned. As a matter of fact, it was the subject of a Public Accounts Committee inquiry. We had the Commissioner for Public Employment before us. The members for Drysdale and Greatorex are part of that committee. We spoke to them about the termination and the exit from the public sector of these people. The Commissioner for Public Employment laid it fair on the table what went on there; that they left of their own volition. This was way before and this goes back to my point about untruths in their dissenting report - 26 November. Mr DUNHAM: A point of order, Madam Speaker! Mr KIELY: Yes? Well, it is true. Mr DUNHAM: He cannot allege that the dissenting report contains untruths unless he does so by way of substantive motion. Madam SPEAKER: No, you cannot allege that. Mr KIELY: All right, I will not allege it, Madam Speaker. I will put it on record, however, that they were present at a Public Accounts Committee hearing where the Commissioner for Public Employment stated categorically that these
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